Monday, March 12, 2007


The commandments written by an omnipotent, omniscient "god":

- I am your Lord and God.
- You shall have no other gods before Me.
- You shall not make for yourself an idol.
- You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God.
- Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy.
- Honor your parents.
- You shall not murder.
- You shall not commit adultery.
- You shall not steal.
- You shall not bear false witness.
- You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.
- You shall not covet your neighbor's house.

The commandments written by an atheist:

- Do not do to others what you would not want them to do to you.
- In all things, strive to cause no harm.
- Treat your fellow human beings, your fellow living things, and the world in general with love, honesty, faithfulness and respect.
- Do not overlook evil or shrink from administering justice, but always be ready to forgive wrongdoing freely admitted and honestly regretted.
- Live life with a sense of joy and wonder.
- Always seek to be learning something new.
- Test all things; always check your ideas against the facts, and be ready to discard even a cherished belief if it does not conform to them.
- Never seek to censor or cut yourself off from dissent; always respect the right of others to disagree with you.
- Form independent opinions on the basis of your own reason and experience; do not allow yourself to be led blindly by others.
- Question everything.

Some additions by another atheist:
- Enjoy your own sex life (so long as it damages nobody else) and leave others to enjoy theirs in private whatever their inclinations, which are none of your business.
- Do not discriminate or oppress on the basis of sex, race or (as far as possible) species.
- Do not indoctrinate your children. Teach them how to think for themselves, how to evaluate evidence, and how to disagree with you.
- Value the future on a timescale longer than your own.
Source: Dawkins, R. (2006). The God Delusion

As much as I feel compelled to compare, I think the mere act of putting them side by side does the job....


Qwaider قويدر said...

God, this is just a load of bull, You know why? because every single commandment that "Atheism" has stated here, is already mentioned in one religion or another. Making a compilation doesn't make it any better or any worse

Look, universal values are not contested ever. The reason why anyone upholds them is their own. They want to consider it GOD or nature or what ever. Is irrelevant!

Q said...

By stating suggested "commandments" made by atheists, I am by no means saying that only atheists think like that, or that these ideas have no base elsewhere. Atheists, as well as religious people, can get these ideas by using deductive and logical thinking. The credit for them goes by no means to religion.

That said, the last four "commandments" made by the first atheist I quoted and all the ones made by the second have no base in religion to the extent of my knowledge.

Qwaider قويدر said...

last 4 of the first:
Test all things = Question everything. so that's one down of 4

- Islam celebrated sex life. Way beyond say catholicism did. Hinduism had this as a form of warship. And Sufism as a means to get you closer to god!
- Discrimination is prohibited in Islam "at least the text exist"

I fail to see how the other items even come close to being considered "Commandments"

Q said...

"Test all things" is not the same as "Question all things". You can find an elaboration on the difference in the source. In any case, almost every story in most "holy" books, let alone the very fact that religion exists, negates both.

Islam celebrated sex life to the extent which you accept, and are willing to live by. The truth, however, is that many restrictions exist. Homosexuality is a quite obvious example, and there are many others.

Regarding discrimination, only some forms are prohibited. As much as people would like to believe otherwise, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are sexist religions. You can find many examples of discrimination based on gender throughout all "holy" books. And there is of course, the discrimination against people of different religions. I don't think I need to give examples on that.

As for the other items, they are extremely important because they dissolve the self-replicating, narrow-minded brainwashing nature of religion. They give people the ability to choose.

Qwaider قويدر said...

Are you trying to say that Atheism is against discrimination? Doesn't atheism consider all people with faith sheep and delusional? Isn't this one form of discrimination?

My dear, we're all intrinsically racist. It's in our genes, its what made us survive all these thousands of years, and it's one of the things that will go away as we ascend more and more into intellectual beings

Q said...

"Doesn't atheism consider all people with faith sheep and delusional?"....No it doesn't. It is not the idea of believing that makes people delusional, it is the idea of seeing evidence that contradicts belief and disregarding it. Worse yet, is the idea of forcing people to adopt or live by your own beliefs. Simply viewing people as delusional cannot be considered as discrimination.

I do sincerely hope that all discrimination would one day disappear. Something I highly doubt will happen with religions around....